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[*] posted on 7-3-08 at 11:59 PM   «:|:»  Link to post Reply With Quote
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A conservative believes that our inalienable rights do not include housing, healthcare or Hummers.

A conservative believes that our inalienable rights DO include the pursuit of happiness. That means it is guaranteed to no one.

A conservative believes that those who pursue happiness and find it have a right to not be penalized for that success.

A conservative believes that there are no protections against the hardship and heartache of failure. We believe that the right to fail is just as important as the chance to succeed and that those who do fail learn essential lessons that will help them the next time around.

A conservative believes in personal responsibility and accepts the consequences for his or her words and actions.

A conservative believes that real compassion can't be found in any government program.

A conservative believes that each of us has a duty to take care of our neighbors. It was private individuals, companies and congregations that sent water, blankets and supplies to New Orleans far before the government ever set foot there.

A conservative believes that family is the cornerstone of our society and that people have a right to manage their family any way they see fit, so long as it's not criminal. We are far more attuned to our family's needs than some faceless, soulless government program.

A conservative believes that people have a right to worship the God of their understanding. We also believe that people do not have the right to jam their version of God (or no God) down anybody else's throat.

A conservative believes that people go to the movies to be entertained and to church to be preached to, not the other way around.

A conservative believes that debt creates unhealthy relationships. Everyone, from the government on down, should live within their means and strive for financial independence.

A conservative believes in the smallest government you can get without anarchy. We know our history: The larger a government gets, the harder it will fall.


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[*] posted on 7-4-08 at 08:18 AM   «:|:»  Link to post Reply With Quote


"A conservative believes that family is the cornerstone of our society and that people have a right to manage their family any way they see fit, so long as it's not criminal. We are far more attuned to our family's needs than some faceless, soulless government program." - So long as you manage your family the way the Bible tells you to...

"A conservative believes in the smallest government you can get without anarchy. We know our history: The larger a government gets, the harder it will fall" - So long as you support the Patriot Act, Warrantless Domestic Surveillance, and you're not Gay...


On another note, What exactly are Conservatives Conserving? Because its certainly not our National Resources, Environment, Favorable view to others in the world or our Nations money and economy.


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You are screwing up conservatives with our modern republican party. Conservatives are people like Hamilton, Melon, Bush (senior, GW is a moron), and hopefully McCain.

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"A conservative believes that those who pursue happiness and find it have a right to not be penalized for that success."
Only if they stabbed countless people in the back to get there and use the "SMALL" government to keep those same people down w/ TAX dollars.

Its hard to think of conservatives as any but republicans as they preach that word all day long while wearing the american flag around their shoulders. The majority of "true" conservatives are more like libertarians...

P.S. Hamilton was a war monger, Mellon was the essence of greed, Bush Senior was both, and McCain is a tool.

Conservatives are the worse kind of hippocrits as they try to benefit all they can from modern technologies for generations past while at the same time trying to stop any forward advancement of both technology and society, IMO. Shit, Reagan is considered the champion of modern conservatism and yet he added trillions to our national debt, declaired war on drugs while at the same time putting evil dictators into power that then supplied our citizens w/ those same drugs... odd no?


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Reagan is considered the new modern republican not the example of a perfect conservative. Hamilton wasnt a war monger, he and washington both learned that you cant do anything with a militia though. Mellon was the essences of greed, but that greed is what helps us. Bush Sr was a great president.

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Yes, Bush Sr., who felt that atheists should not be considered citizens because "this is one nation under God", was a "great president".

I call bullshit.
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Reagan is considered the new modern republican not the example of a perfect conservative. Hamilton wasnt a war monger, he and washington both learned that you cant do anything with a militia though. Mellon was the essences of greed, but that greed is what helps us. Bush Sr was a great president.


A. Never said "a perfect conservative", I said "champion of modern concervatism". Which is most certainly the label he is given by many.
B. Hamilton was a war monger and realized that he wouldn't be able to control a militia for the ends that he wanted.
C. Greed has never been a asset that has benefited the masses, only the single human who wishes to step on his fellow man.
D. Bush Sr. was a terrible president! He lead us into a war that might even have been justifiable but then didn't do the most important part by leaving Sadaam in power. Not to mention the fact that he wasn't even close to being re-elected...

Danga, are you a white christian from an upper to middle class family? I would certainly guess so. What are your opinions on Equal Rights, Civil Rights, Abortion, Stem Cell Research, Capitol Punishment, CLIMATE CHANGE? Even if you wont acknowledge that Reagon is considered the champion of modern concervatism Jesse Helms was and his whole legacy is that of being a closed minded bigot who did nothing but divide people and that same description could be applied to most people willing to label themselves as CONCERVATIVES.

Another word for conservative is affraid! Affraid of change becuase it might cause them to question beliefs or ideas that are absurd to begin with but have somehow become core for an entire life's worth of action. If all humans were conservative we would dwell on the open ground and dine around fire pits while eating the flesh of some recent kill (actually we probably wouldn't have even moved as far as fire)... not that it would even be all that bad but Im sure your like me and enjoy your computer, car, and TV atleast once in awhile. The quote in my signature could be the montra for the concervative right in this country, if they were capable of laughing at themselves from time to time.


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Hamilton and Washington saw the importance of a regulated army (im not saying we need it now, i think we dont cause we have nukes), and this is what kept our independence. The reason the french for example gave us such a good deal on the luisiana purchase was because they were planning on taking it back later and starting a new America. Greed has led to the competition that made america #1, as long as we have greed we have desire for success, just like rocky did. Bush Senior fixed most of the things REagan screwed up and then kicked the iraqis out of kuwait (an oil partner we needed) for about 6 billion dollars with the help of tons of un troops (unlike present iraq).
And when you question who i am, i am not religious, im not a stereotypical american (i even am also a german), i am not that rich (hell we were almost homeless for several years of my life), but the thing that makes me a conservative (not republican) is the fact that my dad grew up in a communist country, and he saw the ineffectiveness of a socialist policy. also you were wondering my stance on those issues, i dont care about all of them, except when it comes to civil rights i think affirmative action should be illegal (obama wants to overturn the supreme court ruling that said it was). Again i dont love mccain, but he is better than obama.


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A couple quick notes, mostly in response to Danga, for my politics tend towards filthy liberalism.

The rest of the world is currently reevaluating this treasured “No. 1” status that America occupies. China and Russia should provide telling news in
the coming years. In any case, the arrogance of unilateral policy has fatigued not a small number of politically signifcant nations.

In regards to the forthcoming race, I think that the American Presidency proves itself once again to be a very flawed enterprise; that is, an office
winnable only by means of cosmic unnatural effort. The candidates compromise their respective beliefs and grander platforms on the daily and thus
largely trivialize all discussion of the importance of executive character. That said, I’m quicker to side with the candidate who is in favor of
ganerning votes with pretty ideas like increased access for minorities in higher education than he/she who does the same thing with fear and tax-cuts.


It’d be nice to have a few minority classmates in Middle America. And not wait thirty years for this to occur.

Danga,

Sie sind Deutscher? Sicherlich haben Sie schon diesen folgenden Ausdruck über das amerikanische Parteisystem getroffen, der herkömmlich durch Europa
läuft --

es gibt zwei Parteien in Amerika: eine konservative Partei und eine konservativere Partei.

Im Vergleich zu den in Deutschland mit großen Anhängerschäfte -- CDU/CSU, SPD, usw. -- werden die vergleichbare (obwohl sie eigentlich nicht
vergleichbar sind) Gebilden in Amerika ganz nach rechts getrieben. Sie wären Faschist mit den oben von Ihnen erwaehnten Meinungen zu Hause in Europa,
auch wenn Communismus schon bereitwillig aufgelöst wurde. :o)
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i know that the US was the most powerful nation in the world ten years ago, and now im happy to give that role to china (russia, give me a break). this will decrease our need for an army so we can stay out of foreign affairs. Also colleges could and should have blind acceptance, but because of affirmative action they look at race someone is, my question is which is more racist. and finally, yes, the american democratic party is more conservative than much of europe, but any party that supports public health care is a liberal party, also we are not conservative extremist, when compared to the old socialist nations like india, russia, and soon china. I wish we lived in a good enough society for socialism, a society were everyone had a work ethic, but that is not the case in america, besides a few exceptions (northwest, colordo) americans are generally too lazy to support a communist system
thats why i support mccain over obama (i dont think he is great though) because he and his staff have the balls to call are nation out, (called our nation a bunch of whiners)


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